FaithFreedom Org Evolves To Be Christian Site and Answering A Christian Stupid Babble

April 30, 2009 by admin 

I found recently that FFI.COM slowly but sure has been evolved to be Christian apologetic site. This can be proven from 2 articles that launched in FFI.COM this month this and this, the 2 article serve to refute Prof.Jamal Badawi’s incorrect interpretation on several Biblical verses about prophecy of prophet Muhammad (upon him be peace) as Paraclete (the awaited savior) and his migration from Mecca to Madinah. The Christian author that names himself Ibn Kammuna mocks Prof. Jamal Badawi “intelligence” for not being able to comprehend the exact meaning of Biblical verses.

Now question comes and infiltrates my head, why on earth a secular site such FFI.com who is run by Atheists accommodates a Christian apologetic by giving him a space to post apologetic arguments to benefit his faith?

Isn’t FFI.com supposed to be filled with arguments (mostly to attack Islam) by those who decided to stop believing in any religion at any form? But FFI.com will be refusing to be associated with Christian nor Christianity, they are to say that THIS IS NOT CHRISTIAN SITE.

Or perhaps FFI.com feels that Christians need assistance to defending their faith from Muslim’s debator therefore they give spaces for Christians to publish for defending their faith.

Or may be FFI.com thinks that Christians sites on the net have not given good job in providing answers for Muslims?

I don’t know what’s purpose but one thing worth noting from now that: FFI.com is becoming Christian Site. See the similarities between the 2 apologetic articles in FFI.com with the same articles published in Answering-Islam.org, you will be amazed that the 2 like twin. So it’s not baseless if Muslims claim that FFI.com is Christian site…because it’s.

Now it’s time to deal with Ibn Kammuna’s article, personally I don’t really care whether prophet Muhammad by name or by acts to be prophesied in Bible or not, since as for me Bible is not Divine Words of God. But I catch something interesting from Ibn Kammuna article and I think it will be good to reveal it and respond it.

Please read the following quotation from Ibn Kammuna to answer Prof. Jamal Badawi from this article:

•4. It was Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) who was the Paraclete, Comforter, helper, admonisher sent by God after Jesus. He testified of Jesus, taught new things which could not be borne at Jesus’ time, he spoke what he heard (revelation), he dwells with the believers (through his well-preserved teachings). Such teachings will remain forever because he was the last messenger of God, the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. He told of many things to come which “came to pass” in the minutest detail meeting, the criterion given by Moses to distinguish between the true prophet and the false prophets (Deuteronomy 18:22). He did reprove the world of sin, of righteousness and of judgement (John 16:8-11)

Let us analyze what Dr. Badawi is saying

Paragraph number 1 uses a verse from the old testament (Deuternomy 18:18) to establish an indirect claim about Muhammad. Well, let us see what that verse says:

King James Version – I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

One does not need to be a theologian to see that there is nothing in that verse telling about Muhammad. In fact, if one reads FFI challenge, it will become apparent that if anything, the above verse will never apply to Muhammad. How can such a verse apply to a leader of a gang of robbers who massacred about seven hundred adult men of Bani Qurayze in one day? How can such a verse apply to a looter and an assassin? How can such a verse apply to a man who prayed his Fajr prayer then attacked the peaceful farmers of Khayber? The second verse that Dr. Badawi mentions is (John 1: 19-21).

Read again from Ibn Kamunna lines:

it will become apparent that if anything, the above verse will never apply to Muhammad. How can such a verse apply to a leader of a gang of robbers who massacred about seven hundred adult men of Bani Qurayze in one day? How can such a verse apply to a looter and an assassin? How can such a verse apply to a man who prayed his Fajr prayer then attacked the peaceful farmers of Khayber?

So according Ibn Kamunna prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is no way to be the awaited prophet in Deuternomy 18:18, because prophet Muhammad (pbuh) is an assassin, a robber, a looter and a butcher and these kind of evil personalities don’t fit with Biblical teaching, therefore prophet Muhammad is not the one and not qualified to fulfill the prophecy.

Do you really think so Ibn Kamunna? Or you’re trying to fool yourself and all FFI.com readers who read your article. Let’s supposed that prophet Muhammad had evil personalities, that become the aspects you use to disprove prophet Muhammad as awaited savior in Deut 18:18. I think this is going to be fun because your own Bible against your baseless argument while instead Bible supports for Muhammad to be the awaited savior. Don’t believe me? Let’s read on.

Remember according Ibn Kamunna Prophet Muhammad can’t be a prophet because he was a looter, murderer, butcher and robber, well let follow the following verses of Bible:

Deuteronomy
Chapter 2: 32-37
And we smote him, and his sons, and all his people. 34 And we took all his cities at that time, and utterly destroyed the men, and the women, and the little ones, of every city, we left none to remain. 36 From Aroer, which is by the brink of the river of Arnon, and from the city that is by the river, even unto Gilead, there was not one city too strong for us: the LORD our God delivered all unto us

So here we have Moses and his army killing both women and children merciless. And see this:

Deuteronomy Chapter 3: 6 And we utterly destroyed them, as we did unto Sihon king of Heshbon, utterly destroying the men, women, and children, of every city. 7 But all the cattle, and the spoil of the cities, we took for a prey to ourselves

So according BIBLE, Moses and his army not just killed the entire people in every city, they also loot their victims properties.

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7: 2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:

This one really beat all of the most cruel man ever exist on earth….I am speechless. If you call Muhammad a looter, a murder and a butcher so what’s the fittest title for your God?

Deuteronomy
Chapter 7:5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

No peace treaty…just kill..burn…butcher…loot!

Frankly I could go on with more terrifying Bible verses to prove my point, but I hate to make my readers get scared. So, Ibn Kamunna how could you forgot the above verses? Or you’re too internet dumb to use Google to search scariest verses within your Bible?

Well, if there’s a reason for rejecting prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to be the promised prophet or awaited savior in Deut 18:18 IS BECAUSE PROPHET MUHAMMAD FAILED TO BE AS CRUEL AS BIBLE TEACHING! OR YOUR GOD COMMANDS. That’s the only aspect to disprove prophet Muhammad.

Ibn Kamunna, If you reject Muhammad (pbuh) because he was a sinful Prophet. You better do the same toward Moses the sinful prophet (according OT) because he was a murderer of uncounted innocent people and you should already blamed God as the one behind the tragic incidents.

And there’s another hilarious argument of Ibn Kamunna that needs a response:

This paragraph has grand claims also. Badawi just claims that Muhammad is the Paraclete. Muhammad is the only Universal Messenger to unite the whole of humanity under God and on the path of PRESERVED truth. I do not know how Dr. Badawi knows that. He did not supply much evidence to such grand claims. How is Muhammad “the only Universal Messenger”? How is Muhammad to unite all humanity?

How is Muhammad to unite all humanity? Then read this:

Muhammad’s teaching (Revelation of Allah SWT) so universal, it teaches about people are mankind, are equal the whole human race, and preaches the natural brotherhood of man without distinction of tribe, status, clan, gender, race or color. And the most honorable among ye is the one who is most pious among ye! It says:

“O you men! We have created you of a male and a female, and then We made you (into different) races and tribes so that you may know[/b] (and “recognise) each other. Surely the most honorable of you with Allah is the one who is most pious among you; surely Allah is All-Knowing and “Aware.” The Qur’an 49:1

So how about your Bible? OT only concerns about Jews and Israel, put them as chosen people and the rest of mankind that around Israel were nothing but enemies that must be cleansed ethnically.

Ibn Kamunna goes on saying:

All Muhammad did is loot, kill rape, steal, and divide people into two camps the Muslims and the Kafirs

Yes I agree Muhammad didn’t fit the test to be the most cruelest, barbarous and ruthless man that your Bible has set.

Good day!

Comments

9 Responses to “FaithFreedom Org Evolves To Be Christian Site and Answering A Christian Stupid Babble”

  1. Ibn Kammuna on April 30th, 2009 6:55 pm

    Dear Sir,
    FaithFreedom.org is against Hate, not Faith. This is why they publish my articles. The articles about Dr. Badawi were not in defence of Christianity. They were meant to show that Dr. Badawi is grossly mistaken.
    In any case, I want to leave you with a nice thought. I do believe that the Qur’an is a very good and useful book. Here is an article that I wrote with another Imam from Pakistan I think (or somewhere else I am not sure). This brother who co-authored with me is Sheikh Ibrahim Lone; a sufi Mufti who issued many Fatwas against many renegades. here is the link to the article where we prove beyond reasonable doubt that the Qur’an is a good and useful book indeed:

    http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2192

    Peace to all, especially good Muslims out there

  2. admin on May 1st, 2009 10:01 am

    @Ibnu Kamuna FFI.ORG (sorry in the article I wrote .COM) doesn’t really against hate, it promotes it instead. There are uncounted articles there filled with garbage, prejudices, hatred and lies. Do you think all people don’t know with what you and your cheerleaders wrote there and do you think your readers are fool as you are? The above article is one of many examples found how stupid FFI.ORG authors can be, one of which is you are as the author of this article, for using arguments that certainly go against you.

    By publishing your article (I doubt you’re real Ibn Kamuna) FFI.ORG has proven to be facilitator of Christians and Christianity, just like other Christians apologetic sites that serve the same purpose, this is undeniable fact. Faithfreedom.org is Christian site…face it!

    FFI.Org is not place for honest mind and for people to learn, but it’s place for haters to gather to compete to each others to discover which one gives the vilest mock against Islam,…But I still admit I found something there…though covered by dirty words.

    And about your satirical article within your link, perhaps I would do the same with your unholy Bible, but I am not going down my self that low.

    Regards

    Mulim

    Thanks

  3. Ibn Kammuna on May 1st, 2009 4:16 pm

    Dear Mulim,

    Muhammad was an assassin. He assassinated people. . Now, lets narrow things down: I am willing to debate you and show you that Muhammad was indeed an assassin. This evil doing of his can be proven with no doubt to all readers. Prove me wrong. If you agree to debate this matter, I will contact FFI.org to publish our debate.
    When done with assassinations, we can debate other things. For instance, Muhammad was a Mass murderer, and an ugly one indeed. We can debate this after the assassination debate.
    You can try to defend Islam as much as you want. It will still stink, and I will show you that in my debates.
    The only sources I will rely on is the Qur’an, Hadith and Sirat. I think this is a fair game. Are you up to the challenge?
    We can send our emails to FFI. I’ll arrange with Dr. Sina and the editors that they forward your rebuttals to me and I’ll forward my response with your rebuttal to FFI for publication. The format I see is this:
    1. I’ll send you, through FFI why I believe Muhammad was an assassin.
    2. FFI will forward that to you.
    3. you forward my email and your rebuttal to it to FFI
    4. FFI will publish all that is written
    5. I will write a final response and send to FFI who will forward to you
    6. You write your final response and send all to FFI
    7. FFI will publish all
    8. we will leave it to the readers to comment and tell who was truthful and correct, or not.
    You can publish the debate on other sites too, with no changes, just like FFI,

    Are you up to the challenge? Are you willing to face reality?

    Here is a link to open you appetite:

    http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2217

    and

    http://www.news.faithfreedom.org/index.php?name=News&file=article&sid=2110

    Peace

  4. admin on May 1st, 2009 8:15 pm

    Dear Ibn Kamunna,

    If you follow my above article carefully, you will find that it’s not the evil titles you give toward prophet Muhammad (pbuh) that I talk about, but it’s about your own stupid argument. In your Article, you claim that Muhammad can’t be the awaited savior of Deut 18:!8, because he was an assassin, looter and robbers while those kind of things don’t against your own Biblical teaching, instead it’s widely known that your OT (Old Testament) promotes any mean of mass-killing which have made OT prophets and God in OT to be the most ruthless, merciless and ferocious killers and robbers, so you better answer me on this matter rather than suggesting to discuss something that I don’t talk about. For me, if there is a reason for prophet Muhammad’s failure to fulfilled the prophecy in OT, it’s because he was not as cruel as your Bible has dictated.

    Regards

  5. Ibn Kammuna on May 1st, 2009 8:51 pm

    Dear Sir,
    It is clear you are not up to debating Islam and Muhammad’s personna. The above article discusses Dr. Badawi’s claims, not yours. When he contacts me or FFI, I will debate him.
    Also, you have called me “Stupid” twice. Once in your previous comment. And once in the title of your article. Hence, you are a rude person.
    Now, My articles discuss Islam, because Islam spells “EVIL” to me. I have no quarrel with any other religion, be it Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism,..etc. I am not going to discuss anything but Islam and Islam’s claims. I talk about other religions only when some Islamic “intellectual” makes unwarranted claims, just like what Mr. Badawi did.
    Finally, Because you are rude, I will not leave any more comments on this blog for you. However, my invitation for a debate is still open. But, you’ll have to contact FFI editors and go through them, and they will relay your message to me. I doubt it though. You are not debate material. You are just some rude person trying to hang onto a sixth century Arabian barbarity.
    Have a good weekend.

  6. admin on May 1st, 2009 9:33 pm

    Dear Ibn Kammuna

    Sorry for the word, I shouldn’t have said that. But I am not the only rude person here, you too:

    Ibn Kamunna:
    The so-called scholars of Islam encourage this sharade of idiocy through their writings

    So you hate to be insulted while you are freely to insult anyone, you’re so infidel you know that? But as I am Muslim I am sorry for my word.

    But my stance already clear that I am here to questioning you concerning your incorrect argument for the failure of prophet Muhammad to fulfill the biblical prophecy, so we discuss this first and you are obligated to defend your argument, afterward we can step ahead to your issue to disprove your accusations.

    Your words:

    I talk about other religions only when some Islamic “intellectual” makes unwarranted claims, just like what Mr. Badawi did.

    So here I am to talk about your baseless argument.

    Prove me wrong and don’t run please.

  7. admin on May 1st, 2009 9:52 pm
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  9. admin on May 10th, 2009 7:04 am

    Ibn Kamuna runs away…pathetic!

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